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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Dec 17, 2010 6:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: He's gone...

Actually it's a forum on a public site. An internet library is no different than the local public library.

As for the mods. it seems to me they only removed the posts to stop the whining of those folks that couldn't "self moderate" as they were asked to do.
That may be the saddest part of all of this. A bunch of intelligent, thinking adults couldn't / wouldn't just ignore the ravings of a nutcase. Just ignore it people. change the channel, just like you change the channel when something comes on the radio that you don't want to hear.

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Poster: banditos33 Date: Dec 17, 2010 7:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: He's gone...

Yep. Freedom of speech is out the window when an injury may result. Such as Yelling fire in a movie theatre. Hurt feelings and not agreeing with what you are voluntarily reading is not an injury.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Dec 17, 2010 12:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: He's gone...

Finster Baby, what if he had started to troll/hijack his crap on every GD thread here? Well, how to ignore that?

If he's that abusive in real life, he's either one tuff dude or gets the snot kicked out of him daily.
I really don't like people that bring out my bad side, unless it shines a love light

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Poster: elkdog Date: Dec 17, 2010 8:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: He's gone...

From the Terms of Use (http://www.archive.org/about/terms.php):

"In using the Archive's site, Collections, and/or services, you further agree... not to harass, threaten, or otherwise annoy anyone..."

further down:

"The Archive may immediately terminate this Agreement at its sole discretion at any time upon written notice (including via email) to you. Upon termination, you agree that the Archive may immediately deactivate any password it has issued to you and bar you from accessing the Collections or the Site."

I actually agree with you that deleting his posts isn't a terribly helpful thing to do, and felt that self-policing/ignoring them was the best way to protect the music discussions, but I don't think any rights were violated.

The American Library Association, of which the Archive is a member defines a library (at http://www.ala.org/Template.cfm?Section=otherpolicies&;Template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=13141) as "a designated limited public forum for access to information. When library policies or practices make meeting rooms, exhibit spaces, and/or bulletin boards available for public use, these spaces are designated as limited public forums for the exchange of information."

A limited public forum is: "a public place purposefully designated by the government, or established through tradition, as a place dedicated to a particular type of expression. As in a public forum, only reasonable content-neutral time, place and manner restrictions on speech within the scope of the designated purpose of the forum, may be imposed. The government may exclude entire categories of speech that do not fall within the designated purpose of the forum, but may not discriminate against particular viewpoints on subjects appropriate to the forum."

"Subjects appropriate to the forum" is the norm that the political posts which have been deleted crossed. Again, I don't know that I agree with the deletions, but they were well within the norms of library policy.

This post was modified by elkdog on 2010-12-17 16:10:50

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 17, 2010 8:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: He's gone...

Thx, ED; that seems to be the crux of it--we agree to the terms, and FS, per se, is thereby constrained as a result.

We defn are all in a better mood today it seems, that, for one thing, is good.

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Poster: banditos33 Date: Dec 18, 2010 4:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: He's gone...terms of use ?

really! really? Then I guess that also applies to the terms of downloading soundboards. Which I and sure many more dont meerly stream but download like hell. I dont sell them by choice but if I wanted to I would and screw the terms of use.

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Poster: elkdog Date: Dec 19, 2010 7:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: He's gone...terms of use ?

Well, what you do is your business, but as long as you're clear that its an abuse of the terms of the Archive (the organization which provides you free access to the music that you would otherwise have to work harder to listen to), and of the terms by which the band lets you listen to their music here (which, even restricted as it is here, many bands do not do for their fans), I guess you can pretend it's your right to do that. I mean, by the laws of the country and the terms of the archive you're wrong, and you might be a part of getting the music pulled altogether, but we can't stop you. So you win.

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Poster: banditos33 Date: Dec 19, 2010 12:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: He's gone...terms of use ?

Thanks, but I dont honestly think there are winners or losers. I was stating, that sure as this world I cannot be the only one who downloads a good C Miller soundboard from here. With that said, it is just as much a violation of the terms of service as Islam Sucks ranted about. It is the picking and choosing of the forumites that gets my goat. Do this but dont do that.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Dec 19, 2010 7:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: He's gone...terms of use ?

Oh, come on. One is downloading music - the other is trashing other human beings - in your mind there's some comparison? sheesh.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 19, 2010 7:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: He's gone...terms of use ?

Just as I was going on about with RLO, though, this kind of thinking/action, though trivial in the big scheme of things, is just the sort that does in fact become a small part of "our" biz, and thus, commenting, just to the extent you did, is perfect.

Have a great Holiday, ED; I'm getting my "best wishes" in post by post I guess...

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Poster: elkdog Date: Dec 19, 2010 10:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: He's gone...terms of use ?

Thanks WT. All the best to you and yours as well!

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Dec 17, 2010 9:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: He's gone...

"Actually it's a forum on a public site. An internet library is no different than the local public library."

No, actually IA is a private site that permits liberal access. It is a 501(c)(3) org. If it were governmental in nature it would not need non-profit status.

IA is like the private Jenkins Law Library in Philadelphia except Jenkins charges a membership fee and internet archive does not.

You are ALLOWED to use IA; there is no RIGHT to IA.

TOOTMO

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 17, 2010 11:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: He's gone...

Thanks, Toots; gawd, I love this shit.

Did things ever work out on what you asked me for a while back? I am in a better position (yikes...don't let SDH see this) to help if you still want to go that route...let me know ~ 1 Jan 2011 if you do, and we can work from there.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Dec 17, 2010 11:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: He's gone...

Roger that.

I'll be checking out early next week for the annual trek to mother-in-law's for a week to collect stomach virus samples from one of her 11 grandchildren so have a Jerry Christmas and look for before the fortnight arrives.

TOOTMO